The Syphilis Enigma (Medieval Disease Documentary) | Timeline

The Syphilis Enigma (Medieval Disease Documentary) | Timeline

When Christopher Columbus crossed the atlantic in 1492, he carried with him diseases which all but quite touched the native Indian population. Their revenge, according to history, was to send back to Europe the scourge of syphilis. But now, a skeleton unearthed in an English monastery can at last put the record straight. This is the true story of syphilis. This story begins in Hull. When the city planners decided to build a new magistrate’s court next to a multi-story car park in the town center, it gave the local archaeological unit the chance to survey the site first for ancient remains and artifacts. Working within a very limited time frame, the team worked day and night, digging out what they suspected might be the remains of a medieval friary. By the end of the dig, they had unearthed more than 240 skeletons and countless artifacts, information which painted a detailed picture of a Shadowy medieval world: A heady mix of religion and riches, medicine and morality, sex and disease. You have a complete ground plan for a medieval monastery, which is almost unheard of; it’s a major piece of archaeological work. John Bugless is the project leader for what has become known as the “Magistrates Court Site,” responsible for recording every last detail of the excavation. We’re fortunate with this site that preservation conditions are excellent. We have surviving coffins, textile fragments, leather objects; we have bodies that still got shoes on and things like that. So we have really good skeletons to look at. One skeleton in particular from the hull site was sent to rewrite history. Very soon after we got the skeletons, we started to see things that were rather unusual. And particularly, there was a lot of infectious disease in the site, including what we thought were classic cases of syphilis. And this one here, 1216 – this 25 to 35-year-old male – is one good example. In fact, it’s the best example. The skeletons from the Hull site were sent to the University of Bradford for analysis. It’s usually incredibly difficult to diagnose the cause of death so long after the event, as many diseases leave no trace at all on the bones. But syphilis is one of the few exceptions. Charlotte Roberts is an expert in paleopathology, the archaeology of disease. Can she be sure that skeleton number 1216 really did have syphilis? There are a number of changes in the skeleton for recognizing syphilis. If we focus on the skull, you can see immediately that there’s something wrong. Normally – if I just get a skull that’s not affected by the disease – you would expect to see a smooth surface on this part of the skull. But here, you’ve got pockmark lesion; holes in the bone. It’s something that people call carry sicca. It’s characteristic of venereal syphilis. We don’t see it in any of the other syndromes. So I would say that’s characteristic of the disease. The other thing on this skull is that you’ve got a hole in the palate, the connection between the nose and the mouth, and that’s commonly seen in syphilis. We move down the skeleton what we see again is bone formation and bone destruction. I think probably the most florid bone formation is actually on the leg bones. This is a thigh bone. And you can see the whole length of it has got the formation of bone we also got some destructive lesions here and here. We look at one of the lower leg bones. Again, you see the same sort of changes that you see here, but also you get a massive amount of bone formation on the front of this lower leg bone, which people call a “saber shin” because it looks like a saber. Imagine the inflammation, swelling of these limbs, the redness, the heat, the pain. Apart from skeleton 1216, the site contained two more classic cases of the disease, and there were characteristic signs of syphilis in more than 60% of the bodies. But all these people were buried in the sanctuary walls of a deeply religious community. And syphilis is a venereal disease that is contract through sexual intercourse. So what kind of religious community was this? The building belonged to a Christian order called the Augustinian Friars, and this complex of cloisters, living accommodation and church was the friary. It was one of the first to be established in England, and in 1539, the last to be destroyed. The brothers were not rich, like some other religious orders of the time; they were supposed to beg for a living. These friars were the social services of their day: They looked after the poor at the time. They were skilled in medicine and they cared for the sick whether they were rich or poor. Their good works and religious calling put them beyond reproach. And they were, of course, celebate. But the skeletons from the Hull friary proved the presence of a sexually transmitted disease. What had gone so perversely wrong amongst the brothers here? There was more evidence from the dig which could not easily be explained away. A dozen bodies were found with a wooden rod buried alongside them, leading to the suspicion that these friars belonged to a flagellation sect. We have a series of rods which are quite short. They’re sort of about that long and they still have the bark on them. And they’re hazel, nice and whippy. And there has been a suggestion they’re actually flagellation rods. Because at this particular time, with plague sweeping through various parts of Europe, there was quite a strong movement – particularly on the continent – for self-flagellation and hair shirts. And you suffer more in this life; therefore, the afterlife becomes better. The Augustinian brothers were experts on the afterlife. They made a lot of money from death. They sold candles and winding sheets for the dead. They presided over funerals, held vigils and set masses for the souls of the departed, all paid for by the wealthy merchant and aristocratic classes in order to save their souls, buying their way into heaven through the industry of the friars. This put the brothers in a powerful position. If they dispensed with their vow of poverty as easily as they seem to have broken their vow of celibacy, they could make a fortune out of the misfortune of others. This medieval will from Hall shows that the system was certainly open to corruption. We have two surviving wills from this period of time. And one of them actually states that a sum of money is to be put aside per friar who attends mass for this person’s funeral. Which is terribly open to abuse, because you can just load up x number of friars; you could grab friars from every house in the area and bring them in and bulk your funds up. The Augustinians were not a closed order of monks, shut away from the temptations of the world in a life of quiet contemplation. The priory was deliberately positioned in the commercial heart of the time, wedged in between the houses of wealthy merchants and the key side of the bustling port. One of the things is the trade that comes into Hull and makes its wealth its wine trade coming in from Spain. The volume of wine being imported is enormous – a million and a half liters a year is a staggeringly large amount of wine, a lot of which would be consumed locally. So you would seem to think that there could well be a high degree of carousing. The site in Hull uncovered large collections of the imported wine jugs, evidence that at least some of the carousing was going on within the fiery walls. But this does not mean that they were necessarily dissolute. Medieval monks probably drank four times as much alcohol as people drink in England today, and the Hull friars were no different. The whipping rods, if that is what they were, point more towards a form of medieval Christian devotion than sexual deviancy. If they were corrupt, the evidence is no more than circumstantial. We are left would be astonishing evidence of the bones. How can we explain the presence of syphilis within the friary walls? Channel Four commissioned experts at Bradford University to make a computerized map plotting the site of each skeleton, superimposed on the outline of the friary. Augustinian friars sold burial plots within their church; the nearer the altar, the nearer to God, and so the more expensive the plot. The most prestigious plots were reserved for the senior friars and for the rich merchants who paid for this privilege. The map shows exactly where the bones of skeleton 1216 were buried: In a prime spot close to the altar. So which was he? A rich nobleman? Or an esteemed member of the monastic community? We will never know. The Hull site cannot prove that syphilis was rampant amongst the friars, but it does show that it was widespread amongst the elite of this prosperous community at that time. So when was that time? When did skeleton number 1216 die? The evidence from the dig suggests that he died in the 1300s. But if this was true, this was electrifying information. For history records that syphilis originated amongst the Native American Indians, and was contracted by the crew of Christopher Columbus during his voyages to the New World. On returning to the Old World, the new disease grew into a plague of epidemic proportions. First among the Spanish soldiers of the siege of Naples in 1495 before spreading remorselessly through Europe. If the Hull site could be dated to before 1492, then the disease must have existed in the Old World prior to Columbus’s journey, and history would have to be rewritten. And to help them date the burials, the archaeologists at Hull had a red piece of luck: The waterlogged conditions of the site had preserved a remarkable number of wooden coffins, ideal and rare material from which to get a reliable date. It’s a very unusual find. There are only ten sites that have generated significant quantities of waterlogged coffin boards across the whole country for the past fifty years. So it’s a very unusual find, and this is by far the biggest assemblage. Ian Tires, from the dendrochronology unit in Sheffield, took over 300 samples back to his lab. The critical thing that we were supposed to be sorting out was the dating of the coffins themselves, to help sort the stratigraphy and help put a timetable to the burials. You can see that we have wide rings and narrow rings are effectively reflecting the conditions under which the tree was growing; whether it was having a good summer or a bad summer, as far as growth is concerned. And those are act like a fingerprint through time – the pattern of narrow and wide rings is unique over a number of millennia. Having recorded the measurements for each sample, Ian then fed all the information into a central database to find a match which would give him a definite date. From our dating perspective, we can date their year and indeed the season of the year that the trees are felled And those that we have bark age for, so the year the trees were cut down are all in the 1340s and the 1360s. The date from the dendrochronology lab puts the coffins at between 1340 and 1369. This is not in itself particularly surprising. All the indications from the dig – the pottery, the historical records – all show a date around the middle of the 14th century, and the wood dating is right in the middle of this. But of course this information from the site in Hull has sent shockwaves through the archaeological and historical worlds. Because syphilis is not supposed to have been in this country – in Europe, even – until Columbus brought the disease back from America. 150 years after skeleton 1216 was buried in the nave of an Augustinian friary on the northeast coast of England. Who can history blame for the scourge of syphilis? In 1493, Christopher Columbus returned home to Europe with news of a New World. History records that he brought a new disease with him, too: Syphilis. But now, the discovery and Hull of skeletons bearing the scars of syphilis undermines this 500-year-old version of history. For these bodies were buried 150 years before Columbus set sail. So the question now is, who really gave syphilis to whom? To understand, we need to look closely of the reasons why people have always believed this Columbus theory. In the closing years of the 15th century, a young ambitious scholar described a new disease sweeping through Europe. In recent times, I have seen a disease which is so cruel, so distressing, so appalling, that until now nothing so horrifying, nothing more terrible or disgusting has ever been known on this earth. Joseph Gruenpeck was an eyewitness to the agonies of the Spanish soldiers at the siege of Naples in 1495. Some had become so repugnant. Left in the open air on the battlefield, they hoped to die. Others moaned and wept and uttered heart-rending cries because of the ulceration of their male organ. Gruenpeck’s description is historically important: It is the first unchallenged record of syphilis in the world. He accurately portrays the distinct stages of the disease as they are still understood today. The first stage of the disease really just involves ulceration at the site of infection, so things like genital ulcers. The swelling of the glans was followed by an abscess, from which the putrid smelling pus flowed for a full month. The second stage, which occurs about three to six months after infection, you get a generalized rash. They experienced intense pains in head and bones, and soon boils appears all over the body. It’s the third phase where you get considerable ulceration on the skin. The person wouldn’t be feeling too good, I don’t think, and wouldn’t look very nice, either. You can relate their bone lesions quite nicely to ulcerations of the skin. Imagine a boil or an ulcer on the skin, and that’s tracking down to these lesions on this on the skull. Not very nice. And I would thinking you’ve got an infectious lesion that’s active in the mouth, you’re going to have somebody who’s got a pretty awful bad breath. If you can imagine this person with these bones inside their body, you would expect swelling, quite a lot of pain and heat just as a result of inflammation. The other thing that you get in the third phase of syphilis is what they call “general paralysis of the insane.” This was more than just another plague. It was a disease which brought to the sufferer not only pain, but shame. In the fervently religious Christian Europe of the time, this new disease represented the wrath of God, punishing wicked people for their immorality. As Gruenpeck describes the horror at the end of the 15th century, no one seemed to know where syphilis had come from, and of course nobody was willing to accept the place of origin for this disease as their own. He calls it the French disease; the French called it the Neapolitan disease; the Germans called it the Spanish itch. Then a Portuguese doctor, who had treated Columbus’s crew for the disease, made the connection with their trip to the New World. Clearly, they had contracted the disease from dirty American Indian women and brought it back to Christian Europe. In the 500 years since American Indians were first blamed for giving the disease to Europe, scientists have searched for evidence to support this theory. George R. Melagos is absolutely convinced that Columbus’s crew contracted the disease in the Americas and brought it back to Europe. He has been analyzing skeletons for 30 years. He believes the only place there is convincing evidence of syphilis in bones from before 1492 is in the Americas. What I found is that there’s all kinds of evidence of the lesions in the New World prior to Columbus, and it continued on after Columbus. You go into the Old World, you find hardly any evidence at all. I’ve looked from from Florida all the way up to Ohio, from the Atlantic Ocean to the Mississippi River, and it was just incredible numbers of cases of this syphilis-like lesion. George is convinced that the disease was widespread in the New World – not just because he has found classic cases, but because he has found signs of syphilis in the population as a whole. Now what I would expect to find is not only the fact that you find it within an individual, which we find many isolated cases, but we find it within the population and within a region if these people are in social contact. They’re in sexual contact and so the disease should be widespread. For George, the whole skeleton alone would not be sufficient proof that syphilis was present in medieval England before 1492. If Charlotte is to overturn 500 years of history, she needs more evidence. At the Hull site she has found signs of the disease in more than half the skeletons. But it’s true to say that this is the very reason that Hull is so important. Syphilis has not been fun distributed across medieval Europe, like it seems to be in America. But Charlotte thinks there is a good reason for this. Syphilis does not show up on the bones until the third stage of the disease, sometimes not until 50 years after initial infection. In medieval times, most people would have died of something else before then, leaving no signs that they ever had syphilis. Only a small proportion of people with syphilis will get bone change. They may die before that develops. They may have died from something like the Black Death or other conditions that were prevalent at a time, like cholera, like smallpox. Et cetra, et cetra. So, there was a lot going on in the medieval period that will have predispose people to die quite young, and in fact this person has died before the age of 40. But we don’t know what from, but we know that this person has syphilis. And so it’s actually difficult to get a handle on really what the prevalence, the rate of this disease, was in the late medieval period in England, because there’s so many confounding factors. Charlotte would not expect to find the classic signs of syphilis in the general population at this time. This is what makes 1216 such a special find. He shows all the evidence of the disease. There has never been a clearer example in the Old World from a site dated before 1492. But the supporters of the Columbus theory want more: They want quantity as well as quality. And they want a carbon date. Really the debate centers around this issue: What is the evidence in the Old World prior to contact? Now it may be at Hull there is irrefutable evidence if they find for example that you have a radiocarbon date that dates it before 1492, then I would have to do some explaining. Dendrochronology has given a precise date to the coffins font of the Hull site. But George wants more than that. He wants a date for 1216 that comes from the bones themselves. In the debate about who gave syphilis to whom, the date is crucial. And Charlotte knows that if her findings are to be taken seriously, she will need irrefutable evidence that skeleton number 1216 predates Columbus – a carbon date. She sends off samples from the bones to the carbon dating laboratory in Oxford. And waits. By working out how much radioactive carbon is left in the bones, it is possible to work out when the individual died. If skeleton 1216 can be securely dated to before 1492, the Columbus theory will be in tatters. When the carbon age of 1216 is converted into calendar time, even with the cautious margin of error, the young man with syphilis can definitely be said to have died between 1300 and 1420 AD. At least 70 years before Columbus set sail for the Americas. Charlotte is invited to an international conference in Texas, where the world’s leading experts in this field are gathered. Armed with photographic evidence and a carbon date, Charlotte arranges a private meeting to confront George R. Melagos with curator at the Smithsonian Institution, Don Ordner, as an independent witness. Will this be the end of the Columbus theory? I have some very interesting photographs of the skeleton from England that I think might change your mind about the pre-Columbian origin. Do you think that facts are going to change my mind? I’m hoping so. You’re now look at this This skeleton comes from a sight in Hull; it’s one of three that has changes I’m sure you would consider classic. Classic what? Ah. I see. And I would suggest that that’s carris sicca. Perforation of palate here. Destruction and formation of bone. 60% of the adults have got bone formation on the lower legs. I’d say that this is obviously a clear case with syphilis. And I really congratulate you, because this is quite impressive. When you see something like this – the whole specimen, which is classic – I mean, any anatomist who’s had any experience with syphilis in modern populations would recognize these lesions immediately. On the face of it, Charlotte has scored a significant victory in Texas. Her diagnosis of skeleton 1216 has been accepted and agreed. But amongst the thousands of pre-Columbian skeletons excavated so far in Britain, it is still an isolated case. Charlotte thinks that this is because no one has been looking for syphilis in the Old World, because it wasn’t supposed to be there. George is still not convinced. You actually – I mean, how many skeletons have been excavated in England, would you guess? Oh, many thousands. Fifty thousand plus, I would say. Your point is that, even though you’ve looked at fifty thousand skeletons– I’m not saying that those fifty thousand skeletons have been looked at systematically and scientifically by a person who knows what they’re looking for. I mean, this it would be – I would be – I would probably be more accepting of this position if this wasn’t an issue that has been as issue from the late 1800s. Or even from the 1500s. I mean, this is such an important issue within the history of medicine within the history of disease, within the history of the world, that it seems to me that all of this evidence would be there by now. For George, more classic cases of syphilis would have to be unearthed in the northeast of England and elsewhere before he would agree to give up the Columbus theory. But in Don Ordner, Charlotte has found an ally. Don has examined the evidence in both the Old World and the New World. He agrees with Charlotte that it would be difficult to find widespread proof of syphilis in Europe. But more importantly, it would dispute most of George’s New World evidence. Don thinks that there is only one indisputable way to diagnose syphilis in old bones. The best evidence for venereal syphilis is going to occur in children’s skeletons. Syphilis is only infectious in the first stages of the disease. If a woman becomes pregnant during this time, then the teeth forming in the unborn child will have a unique groove mark on them. You’ll also see evidence of abnormal defects in the teeth, and you can see a groove that’s horizontal going across the central incisor. And adjacent that the second incisor has actually broken off. So the enamel was clearly very defective in the formation of the tooth, and this would have been right about at the end of pregnancy or at the time of birth. The work in the New World cannot prove that the disease originated here in America, and too little work has been done in Europe to conclusively reject the Columbus theory. The only way to prove the existence of syphilis in adults is to identify it in the skeletons of their children. Only a handful of child skeletons, with the telltale syphilitic groove in their teeth dated before 1492, had ever been found, all of them in America. In effect, the whole of the Columbus theory rested on four or five skeletons. And yet, still it stood, apparently unshakeable. That is, until another skeleton was found with the distinctive teeth to finally shatter this distorted view of history. A skeleton found not in America, nor in medieval Europe, but from a town that flourished 2,000 years before the death of skeleton 1216. For 500 years, the American Indians have been blamed for giving Europe syphilis. Then the discovery of skeletons from medieval Hull suggested we might have given it to them. Now discoveries from the ancient world may finally reveal the truth behind the syphilis enigma. Maciej and Renata Henneberg excavated nearly 300 skeletons from an ancient Greek settlement in southern Italy. Metaponto was a busy port of forty thousand inhabitants that flourished from 600 years BC. As they worked their way through the bones, looking for signs of disease, Matty found it difficult to believe the evidence before his eyes. What I could see on the bones, in terms of physical signs of disease, was not making much sense in terms of patterns we normally expect in some ancient populations. And it took me two weeks to come to grips with an idea that the signs fit only one disease, and this disease was syphilis. He found many bones with the classic syphilis lesions and formations. Then his wife, Renata, a dental expert found the clinching proof. A child’s skeleton with the telltale markings on its teeth. When I told him that I have two examples of the teeth change accrue as it is found in congenital syphilis, Maciej was very happy, because finally we had the picture of syphilis coming together. The Hennebergs knew that if they were right, the presence of syphilis in Europe had nothing to do with Columbus. But if it had been in Europe since classical times, then they should also find evidence of the disease at their other archaeological site. The ancient Roman remains at Pompeii. They began to search for the evidence that other experts might have missed. Crucially, they widened their search beyond what the bones alone could tell them. They read Latin texts and studied Roman medicine. They found evidence everywhere that convinced them that syphilis was rampant in the city. There’s various strings of evidence from written sources, from the cultural functioning of the city, from the business of prostitutes, from public houses, from the fact that it was a trading center and a sea port. And evidence that we can see on bones are all coming together to support the hypothesis of the presence of syphilis in the classical antiquity of Europe. By looking at the wider social context of the disease, the Hennebergs have not just demonstrated that the disease has been around in Europe for thousands of years, they have also found the key to unlock the syphilis enigma. The question is no longer, “Who gave it to whom?” There is simply not enough bone evidence yet, on either side of the Atlantic, to settle the argument for good. But add to the evidence of the bones an understanding of the way of life of these places, and the true story of syphilis begins to unfold. Syphilis is a survivor, and to survive it has mutated to adapt to different climates and different societies. It has not always been a killer. Epidemiological research shows that in rural societies around the world, syphilis was present, but in a much milder form and was not transmitted sexually. Mary Lukas Powell studies the evolution of the bacteria, and how it has been transmitted amongst the Indian communities of the New World. Well, in the pre-Columbian New World – in the southeastern United States – there was ample opportunity because of styles of clothing, of styles of communal sharing, of eating and drinking utensils, of sleeping places. There was abundant opportunities in every generation for these diseases to be transmitted without any sort of sexual contact involved. And therefore, they were much more common within the populations, but with no connection with sexual activity. What the syphilis bacteria needs in order to spread is skin-to-skin contact. In unsophisticated rural communities, and in hot climates like pre-Columbian America, the bacteria could easily pass from skin-to-skin. It caused an ugly skin disease that everyone caught in childhood. It rarely developed into something more serious. And everyone who caught it as a child was immunized against the dangerous venereal form of the disease. So why, then, does the bacteria sometimes mutate into a sexually transmitted killer? If we look at the places where we now know syphilis existed in its deadly venereal form, will that help us to understand? What is it that links Metaponto, Pompeii, Hull and Naples? One common denominator is that they were all ports. Well, ports are ports. People have always behaved badly in ports. It seems that Hamburg is a good example at the moment. Rotterdam, Amsterdam – they’re all ports. They all have very large red-light districts. And if your an all-male crew cooped up on a ship, then you would expect a certain amount of recreational activity to occur, and a certain amount of sexual activity to occur. And there will always be prostitution. But it could not simply be promiscuity. The culture of some rural communities in the New World, for example, allows for promiscuity before marriage. The difference, as the archaeologists at Hull discovered, was just how cosmopolitan these ports were. The wine came from Spain; the coffin wood was traced to the Baltic forests. Traces of precious metal from the Far East were found on the friary stones. Complex international trading, it seems, was an essential feature of life in medieval Hull. You’re going to have people from the Baltic, which we’ve seen from the timber trade, and from Spain coming in with the pottery and the wine. We’re also gonna have people from the low countries: The Dutch, the French, people coming from Poland. And because you’ve got high turnover population, diseases is gonna come in. There is another reason why the bacteria had mutated in certain times in the Old World into this horrific sexually-transmitted plague. Venereal syphilis is primarily a disease of cities, of advanced civilizations with advanced health measures and medications. Civilization means civilization. Better hygiene, the wearing of clothes, less sharing of eating and drinking utensils, means the less dangerous form of the bacteria cannot move around. It must mutate to survive. The people buried within the Hull friary walls were the sophisticated urban elite of medieval society. Amongst such people, the mild form of the disease simply couldn’t survive, so the syphilis bacteria sought out the warm, sensual parts of the body and waited. The syphilis enigma is finally cracked. The bacteria has been in human society for thousands of years. But like all bacteria, it is not fixed in a single form. As society has changed, so it has changed. Where climate and social customs permitted, it would thrive as a mild childhood skin disease. But whenever and wherever social change made that impossible, it has mutated into a terrifying sexually transmitted killer. But there is a final twist in the tale. For the innocent American Indians tainted for the last 500 years by the accusation that they had given syphilis to the world, history had decreed an even crueler fate. When the Native Indians first encountered Columbus and his crew, they were almost wiped out by the diseases the Europeans carried. The Indians survived, just. But with the loss of so many people, they also lost their immunity to syphilis. The cycle of protection given to each generation by the existence of the non venereal form of the disease had been broken. And when, in the subsequent centuries, venereal syphilis came in from the Old World, the result on the native American populations was as devastating as it had been on the Europeans hundreds of years earlier.

100 thoughts on “The Syphilis Enigma (Medieval Disease Documentary) | Timeline

  1. The idea that the researchers should somehow prove the ¨innocence¨ of the American Indians in the spreading of syphilis should not have been mentioned or implied at all in this documentary. I hate that sort of ideological bias in science. Just look for the truth and for nothing else. Political correctness and its dogmas should never be considered in real science. Syphilis came or didn't come from the Americas and it should be the only thing that counts.

  2. I doubt it's the bones of the monks. Those bones belong to the rich, disgusting elite. And Columbus infected the poor Indians with it, not the other way around.

  3. Imagine being a poor diseased fellow, perhaps with few relatives willing to even see you anymore because it has left you unsightly and scarred beyond recognition. You suffer unfathomable physical and emotional pain due to this, and slowly but surely, the disease eats away at you so much that you die as you cough up your blood. The people in charge carefully put you to rest and say your last rites.

    Fast forward a few hundred years: "Skeleton number 1216". Reduced to a mere number in a lab.

    And this, this is why I want to be cremated when my time comes.

  4. All though i found this very informative maybe the production team could next time please leave out the awful bloody music and wailing

  5. All the people in the America’s just like the horses originated from Eurasia so yes I agree syphyllis came from there it didn’t just appear

  6. so important as related to present day lyme disease that medical doctors have confirmed presents spirochetes that eat into blood vessels and bones, one step further than syphilis

  7. They contracted it from dirty American Indian women??!! Are you serious??! Also, I absolutely despise this George guy! He looks like someone who would blame it all on the natives lol

  8. I was scrolling through comments and trying to understand what people meant on sound and then 30 seconds later, thought. "Oh this makes sense now"

  9. They cared for the sick,maybe they cared for people with venereal diseases, after all it was a grave yard as well

  10. Did it occur to anyone that perhaps such a large proportion of remains with syphilis would indicate that it was a hospital and hospice for men with the disease?

  11. George would fit in well with the scientists that work for the IPCC. Also, syphilis was present during the days of the Roman Empire a 1000 years before 1492.

  12. How many peoples visited the Americas from Europe, alone? Portuguese, Viking, the Phoenicians. Norse were still trading with Greenland Inuit long after Columbus came and went. Portuguese stole slaves off the coast of the Americas for well over a century prior to Columbus. Phoenicians were known to have traded in South America, where the disease is considered a childhood sickness by Native Americans.

  13. Medieval Christian devotion not sexual deviancy. I don't see a difference. Also, if they looked after sick people, couldn't the bones be of the people they looked after rather than the monks themselves?

  14. Anonimowy autor Compendium medicum auctum… z 1719 r. daje nam wierszowany obraz tej choroby:

    Venus zdradliwa roskosz cukruje,

    Wkrótce nad kata ciało morduje

    Uprzykszonemi, zbyt bolesnemi

    Wrzody, guzami zaraźliwemi…

    Usta wyrzuca y podniebienie,

    Mowę odmienia jej zarażenie…

    Rękom y nogom władzę odjęła,

    Wszystkiego człeka w niewolę wzięła…

    Zmięszała głowę, snu nie pozwoli,

    Sumienie gryzie dla swojej woli.

    O jak mizerna uciecha ciała,

    Niejednemu się we znaki dała"

  15. Scientists are no less susceptible to confirmation bias than non-scientists, but they should be more open to actual evidence. If one bases one's livelihood on a single theory, it can be scary to give it up, but that's what should be done.

  16. Do me a favor an wear gloves! I like the documentations from this chanel, don't get me wrong but this makes me really anxious. Not only could important informations be destroid (i am no forensic Anthropologists, so i dont't know for sure) with this careless behaviour but you could also risk your own health.

  17. What about Basque fishermen fishing on the banks outside Newfoundland, they traded goods with the Indians, and the Vikings who were over in America. Why could none of them have taken the infection over to Europe? Why must it be Columbus?

  18. The documentary made syphilis seem like a terrible disease… the sound/music made me go get a blood test to make sure I'm clean.

  19. This is NOT the true story of syphilis. This documentary is based on non-peer reviewed  research. It has been debunked. Syphilis  came from the New World. It did not come from Europe.

  20. Wow, that's a question that really needs answered? Who gave syphilis to who? I WONDER 🤔, Hahaha!!! Unbelievable..

  21. It isn't clear to me why syphilis became deadly when it decided to mutate from a fairly harmless skin disease passed through sin to skin contact to a venereal disease passed by sexual contact.

  22. lesson learned: seek out the virus and get the mild form of it earlier in life and you will be immune to the mutated version later.

  23. The Augustinian friars were established (according to the City Council) only from 1303 and wasn't closed until the 1539. It was a port city, and a natural place for older seamen to 'retire' to. You could enter a religious order at any age, and in addition there was a system where people who were ageing could arrange with a monastery or friary to (as it were) rent them a place and provide them with food and necessities for the rest of their lives. They just handed over their property (a bit like retirement homes today) – with the extra that the hospice also provided medicine. I'd be inclined to find out whether a ship captain was distinguished by some sort of stick as staff of office. Perhaps the skeleton has been dated to before 1492, but I'm not sure they have discovered the only burial area on the site, or that these people couldn't have travelled to the Americas. More evidence, please.

  24. Theres a lot of negative comments all dealing with musical background. Each comment has HUNDREDS of people agreeing. . .has anyone responsible for this video taken note?

  25. Yea syphilis was before Columbus it's George's about I would say nuts aka crazy & naive! You can't get more if there is no more! The coffin showed the date the tree's showed you the date!come on now that would be enough to prove that this happened before Columbus set sail to America!!

  26. "The friars cared for the sick and dying"….the syphilis skeletons were the patients, idiots. This documentary is anti-religious propaganda. "The system was open to corruption?" Any system with humans in it is open to corruption. Hospitals, universities, parliament, documentary makers…ANY system.

  27. "If the whipping rods were used for deviant behavior, as opposed to punishment for such behavior, there's only circumstantial evidence to support it."

  28. Whomever was in charge of sound design should be beaten. Sound effects are straight out of jeepers creepers my guy.
    Or for my Canadian friends are you afraid of the dark (I am actually)

  29. The bones of the people who the fryers cared for could be the bones buried there with syphilis. The fryers could have been infected by these unfortunate patients. Who can say?

  30. Sound by Monc according to imdb:[email protected]@._V1_UY317_CR52,0,214,317_AL_.jpg
    "an experienced film and television composer and has created music scores across all genres, from wildlife documentaries through to animated feature films. His songs have been used in features for Miramax and Pathé and he continues to amaze us with his versatility not only as an artist but also as a composer. Justin is quite simply unique!"

    More screams:

  31. We all must admit that the person who did the sound should be actually found and used to make music for some horror movie. This person made us all collectively uneasy and some could not even listen to the episode. There is so much potential in those wolf howls and frog chirps. And for the singing part, let he/she do some fantasy RPG.

  32. Both things can be true IF the Vikings brought the disease back in 1000 AD – examine skeletons in Scandinavia

  33. Lemme see… White man blaming people of color for giving their "pure"people disease.. bringing immorality to them..why I'm I not surprised??

  34. For the Americans, with their Government education, who therefore can't think…….around 11, the annual wine imported to Hull means over 1,000 gallons of wine were consumed each day there. Year round.

    As to Syphilis being in England before Columbus. It may have come from America, but it's presence is more consistent with the fact that Columbus was very late in arriving in North America. The Vikings visited England both coming and going to NA for over 500 years before Columbus.


  36. Its troubling that this documentary starts out bizarrely blaming native people of the Americas for Syphilis. Idiotic. We brought disease to them. I live in America and never heard this bizarre claim. Rhuemetoid Arthritis warps bones as well.

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